Discussion Notes - Week 9 - Divination

Hey folks. This is what our group came up with yesterday on Lysanius and

his pregnant wife.

1st roll--> 1-1-5 "stood holding a sceptre, which Hephaistos produced

by his labors"

2nd roll--> 4-5-1 "but tell one part, and let the other be concealed"

3rd roll--> 5-4-3 "Ah, poor man! Death's not at all on your mind"

Interpretations:

1st roll--> a sceptre is a phallic symbol, and Aphrodite, Hephaistos'

wife, cheated on him with Ares

2nd roll--> she's potentially telling him that she is pregnant (one part),

but not telling him if it is his child (concealment)

3rd roll--> umm...self-explanatory

Hope this helps ease the tension that was worrying us all, and puts this

matter to rest :)

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This is what our group divined for Lysanius

Roll 1:

5-5-1 => "But tis most wretched to die and meet ones death by starvation"

Interpretation: We threw this one out as it has little to do with the

other two divinations.

Roll 2:

6-3-5 => "Verily these things have already happened and not otherwise could."

Interpretation: It has already happened and there isn't anything you

(Lysanius) can do about it.

Roll 3:

3-1-4 => "But do you no wise enter the moil of Ares."

Interpretation: This had two interpretations in class. One was that

Llysanis doesn't want to know the answer to this question. Another

interpretation is the oracle is telling Lysnius not to get violent. This

implys that the child is not his as he is likely to get violent when he

finds this out.

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Hey everyone, sorry this is so late in coming:

Homeric Oracles

First Roll: 1-5-2--"Within this very year, Odysseus will arrive here,"

Second Roll: 1-5-5--"The rule of many is no good. Let there be one ruler,"

Third Roll: 1-1-1--"But on account of their accursed bellies they have miserable woes,"

Interpretations

1-5-2: Within a year the baby (Odysseus) will arrive

1-5-5: "The rule of many is no good" meaning there are many people "ruling" her, i.e. she is cheating on him with LOTS of people. "Let there be one

ruler" means he needs to crack down and be the only one she's with.

1-1-1: "accursed bellies" her cursed belly because she's pregnant and it isn't his baby! and because of the accursed belly they will have "miserable

woes"

that's it...she got around and now she's pregnant with someone else's baby, BUT he shouldn't break up with her, he should just keep her under his

thumb by being stricter.

Hello everyone, our group received the following messages form the dice.

6-5-6

"and I shall send him wherever his heart and spirit urge him.

4-1-6

"and no spirit of harmony uniteswolves and sheep."

4-1-3

"would you have been stoned to death forall the wrongs you have done'

clearly these are all pretty negative, so we felt that the husband

in question (whose name eludes me) is not the father. Futher we felt it

was possible one or both parties were cheating, and that there might be

abuse. Regardless, it seems as if all will not end well, as evidenced by

the last phrase about being stoned to death.

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Hello all!

Sorry this is late, but I didn't realize that I was the scribe for my section until after class. Then I

wasted a couple days trying to remember the name of the people in my group, so I could find out what

our dice numbers were. As it turns out I never did figure out who they were and I'd be hard put to

recognize them ^_^; Sorry I'm rather unobservent.

Anyway without further ado, here's the notes:

Our group came up with three qoute from Homer that were all prevelently negative. Thus we decided

that chances were that the child was not his. But since the sterotypical oracle is cryptic, the answer

was framed as "It is as you first suspected it to be". This answer may reasure him one way or the other,

or he might just say it doesn't help one bit and find a new oracle.

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Lysanius was questioning whether he was the father of his wife's child. In

order to answer the question, we rolled the dice three times and came up

with three different passages from Homer.

1-6-1 We have won great honor. We have killed glorious Hektor.

We interpreted this to mean that Lysanius was indeed the father of the

child since the first line implies good fortune. The second line indicates

that a threat was defeated, so we determined that Lysanius had won out over

the threat of his wife's (possible) other lover.

1-4-2 speaking good things, but they were contriving evil things in their

hearts.

The first portion "speaking good things" implies more good fortune for

Lysanius. The news of an expected child is good news and so Lysanius is

sure to be the father. The second portion implies deceit of some kind, so

we determined that Lysanius's wife had definitely taken another lover at

some point, so the threat of the child not being Lysanius' had been a

possibility.

5-2-2 to put up a defense, when some fellow provokes a fight.

This implied to us that Lysanius should not be provoked by the words of the

other lover, his wife, or others that would imply that Lysanius is not the

father of the child. He should rest assured that he is the father. His

wife is not carrying another's child and he should defend his honor as the

true father of the child.